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睡觉的番薯 發佈日期: 2005.07.12 發佈時間: 下午 2:44
西方左派罗蒂在中央党校演讲的内容(节选)
李小科 现场整理

http://www.elaputa.com/forum_view.asp?forum_id=1&view_id=2191&page=1

郭大为(中央党校哲学部中外哲学教研室教授):您在前面讲座中提到了左派的三个主要观点(反种族主义、反社会经济的不平等、反对帝国主义),那么种族主义与帝国主义之间有无关联?美国在中东对以色列人和阿拉伯人持完全相反的态度,这是不是一种变相的种族主义?是不是国内种族主义向国外的一种延伸呢?

罗蒂:我并不这么认为。美国对以色列的支持不是出于种族歧视、文化偏见的原因,而是阿拉伯人对以色列人的袭击和伤害。美国人相信,当初是美国人把以犹太人从希特勒的纳粹统治那里拯救出来的。以色列人是希特勒种族灭绝统治的幸存者,今天美国仍有责任对聚居在以色列的犹太人加以保护,使得他们免遭阿拉伯人的屠杀。尽管我本对美国的许多外交政策持反对态度,但对美国支持以色列,我还是赞同的。

(还有这样的“左”,气不过,贴在这里。)
陳真 發佈日期: 2005.07.12 發佈時間: 上午 1:17
以下與任何人無關。
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十多年前,有一次一位個性海派達觀的前輩,跟國科會還是什麼會,申請了一筆錢,做了一個有關某種治療之療效研究,檢驗病患之「社交能力」是否提升。後來,研究結束,發表隆重報告。我那時還很年幼無知,雖然知道一些有關是或不是的「政治」學原理,但心裏想,演講者既然是自己的好朋友,他又這麼樂觀平易近人,應該響應一下,討論討論。於是,本來堅守研討會絕不開口的原則,那次我就起來講話了。

我批評他的研究在方法上和概念上有問題;這將嚴重影響其結論之可信度。我的質疑應該挺具有說服力才對,沒想到對方卻當場發怒,他不提出反駁,反而一直公開抱怨說「陳醫師,你知道我們做這些研究有多麼辛苦嗎?」講得很激動。我知道很辛苦,但一個有關是或不是的問題,會因為辛苦而改變嗎?

散會後,人們興奮起來,紛紛跑過來打聽「怎麼了怎麼了?發生什麼事?為什麼你要修理他?」當我拼命否認,人們也就越認定有些什麼「內幕」在裏頭。

那是我最後一次在台灣常見的各種研討會上講話。當然,我之所以不講話主要是因為我想講的話,通常需要講至少八小時才有可能講得清楚,但即便我有辦法扼要說明,我還是不講。人家點名要我講,我也不講,我才不會「中計」。因為這根本不是一個真的想討論的社會。

當你面對是或不是時,你往往不是動腦筋去思考究竟是或不是這樣一個知識問題,而是發動心機去思考對方究竟喜歡聽是或不是;思考要如何安全地說是或不是,才不會惹禍;思考該用什麼方式來包裝是或不是;思考該用什麼方式來暗示你的「是」其實指的是「不是」,而不是就是是;外面若天氣好,那也許就是,否則就不是;對方人品更需考慮,以便決定一加一是不是等於二。你得努力壓制你的知識和大腦,並努力擴展你的政治敏感度與心機。這種折磨,實在很難受。

記得孔子曾經說誰「聞過則喜」,但我倒沒遇過幾個聞過則喜的人,通常是聞過則踢,聞過則不爽,或甚至聞過則潑硫酸,聞過則給你報應。

而且,當你說了是或不是之後,人們會開始研究你「為什麼」要說是或不是?「背後」有什麼動機?有仇嗎?派系不同嗎?打壓嗎?看不順眼嗎?有什麼利益衝突嗎?

我曾經為了醫師老是集體接受藥商好處的事,表示不以為然,一個人跳出來公開發難,要求住手;結果惹起很大的反彈。那時面臨最多的反彈都不是在討論醫生跟藥商拿好處對不對,而是討論「你是誰?代表哪一派?為什麼要鬥爭我們?你背後還有誰?憑你一個剛畢業不久的醫生,怎麼敢這樣?」

後來,一位老大頻頻打電話來,問我「之前是哪來的?」就像黑道在問人「哪個角頭的?」「混哪的?」但我當時誤解了這句問話,以為是在問我之前待哪個醫院,我就如實秉報,結果對方嘿嘿嘿冷笑幾聲,說跟他猜的一樣,果然是某一派人馬在搞鬼,然後說了一堆某一派的壞話,只差沒說他們姦殺擄掠。

我趕緊澄清說,不是,我不是那個意思,我不知道你在說什麼,我只是說我之前在哪工作而已,但對方顯然不予採納。後來有沒有引起兩派火拼,我就不清楚了。但是,經過這些教訓,我就越來越不敢講話,所有事盡量當做沒看見,並且努力向邊緣地帶「沉淪」,遠離「中央」;畢竟邊緣地帶安靜一點、單純一點,沒有那麼多心機和刀光血影。

有時,甚至只是批評一下所謂心理治療或心理分析在概念或實務上的一些知識問題,也會惹來怨恨和報應,彷彿你侮辱了誰或故意要找誰的麻煩似的。但是,這樣的批評,包括探討整個精神醫學之知識本質,在西方,相關文獻難道不是累積得像山那樣高?哪有什麼知識是不能批評的?

不能批評的東西,比方說聖經,根本稱不上是一種知識。知識的建立,就是透過最大程度的批評,而不是透過莫名其妙的擁戴。

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陳真 發佈日期: 2005.07.11 發佈時間: 下午 1:27
妳說 "下次會抓更精確點的數據, 再度謝謝提醒."

問題是,這不是數據精不精確的問題,而是把數據拿來做錯誤解讀的問題.

就好像我若想指控五輕對後勁的傷害,這時候,我若把後勁該地每年的死亡人數做為五輕害死人的人數,那是不是很奇怪? 這不是一種有關 "精確" 的 "提醒",而是一種不可思議的錯誤之令人訝異.

以下與妳無關
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我們一般對真理對知識常有一堆感人的格言,鼓吹 "討論" 這東西對文明社會之建立的基本價值,但是,東西方社會對於 "討論" 的態度卻截然不同.

我以為,"討論" 就是找出對方的問題所在或補充對方之不足,那才叫做討論. 但是,在台灣,"討論" 就跟談情說愛差不多,往往只能附和讚賞,誰要是膽敢真的 "討論",往往就會惹來不快或甚至結下樑子. 身為台灣人,我已經被訓練得盡量學習噤聲不語,當做沒看到,或盡量不看不說.

學姐常喜歡故意傳一些台灣的進步文章給我看,比如來自某個全台灣號稱最 "進步" 最具 "批判" 性的討論群文章 (恕我沒膽子指名,而且, 人家都是學者專家,我可不想自取其辱),希望我看了生氣,以便從中取樂,但我為了健康著想,其實都放著不看或直接刪掉.

我關心的不是某種出於疏忽的錯誤,我關心的是某些不可能出現的 "基本" 錯誤居然大量而普遍地出現,這意味著一種信口開河的普世文化,這意味著說話者並不知道(或許也不在乎)自己在說什麼.

我不是說我不會犯錯,但我不會犯一種基本的錯,我不會把相對論視為一種道德理論進而大加議論,我也不會把一所醫院每年病人死亡總數,解讀為醫生誤診 "醫死" 的人數.

華人世界很不習慣意見不同或指出錯誤,亞里斯多德說: "把是說成不是,把不是說成是,是錯的;把是說成是,把不是說成不是,是對的." 可是, 我在台灣卻有一種很深的孤立感和痛苦,當我想 "把是說成是,把不是說成不是" 時,總是得開始考量各種 "政治" 因素,開始猶豫我到底該說是或不是,或者該怎麼藉著說不是來說是,或是如何用十個是來包裝一個不是,或是乾脆眛著良心說是或不是,或是該找到什麼時機才來說是或不是,或是對誰該說是,對另一個人就該說不是不是,絕對不是.

到處都是 "政治",實在很痛苦,我不知道有多少人跟我同病相憐,有著同樣的痛苦,但這種痛苦實在很痛苦.

為了人情,為了輩份,為了各式各樣的 "政治" 考量,是或不是將不是一個簡單的知識問題,而變成一種 "藝術",一種 "政治" 問題.

上高中時,看到林義雄那些名言,他反對一種 "三國演義式" 的政治,他說: "我相信: 政治是一種科學,對就是對,錯就是錯. 我願抱著是非分明的態度,投身政治". 這段話,就像一顆原子彈,深深撼動我的心.

至今我仍懷抱同樣的渴望,期待政治是一種科學,期待知識是一種六親不認的獨立存在物,但事實上,政治依然是政治,政治依然是一種三國演義式的宮廷遊戲. 這樣一種 "政治",滲透我們生活的幾乎每個層面,包括知識.

我們總是把是非對錯擺在最後一個位置,在它之前永遠有各種優先考量,比方說前途,人情,面子,敵我關係等.

我不是說犯錯很糟糕,我感到挫折的是人們對那些荒謬的基本錯誤之態度,一種 "不覺得有什麼關係" 的態度,就好像社會上有那麼多荒謬的事,例如公然違反人權或政府官員滿口謊言,大家居然都不怎麼在乎,見怪不怪,是這樣一種態度讓人覺得恐怖.

哈巴狗電台曾經頒 "哈巴狗金狗獎" 給一些信口開河的 "名人",引來一些報應. 可我不明白,這些整天在媒體上說個不停的座談會專家,他們犯下那麼多基本的錯誤,信口開河那麼多荒謬好笑的事,為什麼都不會覺得自責或慚愧?

更奇怪的是,居然還是有那麼多人願意繼續聽他們胡說八道,只因為他們的什麼立場跟他一樣. 但事實上,座談會專家們根本沒有立場,他們純粹是看風向來決定該說是或不是.當他們說是時,可以說得 "義憤填膺",當他們說不是時,照樣還是 "義憤填膺".

當 "知識" 變成一種 "政治",當是非變成一種利害時,那是挺痛苦的一件事.

陳真 2005. 7. 11.
陳真 發佈日期: 2005.07.11 發佈時間: 上午 10:33
抱歉抱歉,我那些 "聯想" 是反覆一直在講的,與妳無關;我不認為妳是故意的,但我也不認為那位教授是故意的.

以下與妳無關.

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不管是不是故意,同樣的問題畢竟太普遍,普遍到一種地步: 讓人幾乎有一種疑心病,我總是無法輕易相信各種資料或解釋的正確性. 因為人們似乎不會對這類錯誤感到驚訝,彷彿覺得那也沒什麼,是我大驚小怪.

這就像一種精神刑求,我的確感覺在這樣一種信口開河的普世文化中,感覺飽受精神虐待. 也許是我有毛病,但我總覺得一種意思就是一種意思,它跟另一種意思之間理應有個無法單靠解釋就能填平的差距. 當這個微妙差距或重大差距總是可以任意被填平,就會讓人覺得挺痛苦.

我對社會學對精神科醫師對各種評論家,常覺得很感冒,一部份原因就在於他們信口開河得太厲害,依照他們所持的一些 "邏輯",任何一種結論都能被製造出來.

我常想點名一些自稱批判的小眾媒體,可惜缺乏勇氣,因為他們什麼都不怕,什麼也管不了,換句話說,他們什麼事都幹得出來,所以我不敢惹.

不管他們批判哪一邊,他們所秉持的與其說是批判,不如說是用一種文學筆法,編織各種自欺欺人的八卦. 當然,這些 "文學筆法" 是用各種酷炫進步理論或字眼所組成.

陳真 2005. 7. 11.
wendelin 發佈日期: 2005.07.11 發佈時間: 上午 9:04
這是對事不對人, 所以我不會覺得'被找麻煩', 況且我確實有疏忽. 當時引用他的數據和資料時沒有批判性理解, 往往看到立場接近的論點就會疏忽去檢視, 這種態度確實需要檢討.

不過讀到你後半段的想法, 只能說希望不會因為我個人的疏忽就被聯想成是刻意扭曲事實或誇大來建立運動的正當性, 當然客觀情勢的演變不是由我主觀解釋, 且公開發表的論述就該需要被檢視評估, 斷非'疏忽'二字就能了事.

只是希望我個人的問題不至於讓你聯想到對其他人的批評, 彷彿就是有這們一群不實事求是的人, 扭曲或撒謊. 針對我批評就好了. 否則我不知該怎麼去回應這些'聯想', 當然我也許不需要對號入座.
陳真 發佈日期: 2005.07.11 發佈時間: 上午 8:49
我在黨外雜誌待過一陣子,對於黨外雜誌之誇大、捕風捉影、不可盡信,有一種切膚之痛。我常說,為什麼要講那些沒有根據的事?國民黨的可惡可恨,罄竹難書,哪還需要我們去誇大或道聽途說?但同志們為了某種賣點,於是一本比一本誇大聳動,簡單說就是一種生意經。在這門生意底下,在一種「過度」的正義感底下,寫報導就跟寫小說差不多。

我還曾經給郝柏村和俞國華四處散播過謠言,說他們貪汙數十億云云;同志們怎麼說,我就怎麼公開指控。後來慢慢發現,這些全是空穴來風,讓我挺自責。國民黨這些人,根本不是那樣的人;而我的許多「同志們」,反倒比較像那樣的壞蛋。如今已能印證我當時的觀感。民進黨不是依靠什麼公義打敗國民黨,而是依靠各種青出於藍的邪惡歪曲手段。

黨外雜誌對於突破言論禁忌當然有其貢獻,但事物總有正反兩面,它實際上也帶來一種不負責任的風氣,也許選舉十八招的抹黑文化就是這麼來的;當我們想打擊對手時,經常就忘了基本是非;雞毛蒜皮小事,誇大成滔大罪惡;根本不存在的事,乾脆自己編故事比較快。

朋友常問我為什麼突然離開江湖?道理很簡單,這樣一種江湖哪待得下?江湖裏,凡事只是一種工具,連「公義」都變成一種工具,大家比賽使壞,比賽撒謊,比賽玩陰的,講一套做一套,根本不把是非、正直當一回事。這種江湖再待下去,我恐怕會「精神分裂」。

陳真 2005. 7. 11.
陳真 發佈日期: 2005.07.11 發佈時間: 上午 8:17
妳提到「今年光是聯合國人口部統計,伊拉克和阿富汗五歲以下孩童死亡人數就高達四十五萬人」。

但是,今年才剛過一半,怎麼可能未卜先知、統計出死亡人數?事實上,那是一種預測,就像預測經濟成長率那樣,而不是一種死亡人口統計。

我剛看了這位 Gideon Polya的文章:

http://world.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/16112

他收集了很多數字。我不懷疑他所引述的這些資料,但他卻有意無意錯誤解讀。比方說用文學筆法模糊一些事實性的基本區分,不但把預測視為一種已發生的事實,更進而荒謬地把所有死亡人數統統視為戰爭亡魂,進而拿來跟美軍傷亡人數做成對比,求出一種比例,再進而拿來跟希特勒大屠殺人數和軸心國傷亡軍人人數對比,以「證明」美帝之可恨,超過希特勒至少一千倍。

這一切,不但錯誤,而且荒謬,裏頭錯誤太多,講不完。我只舉個例來講。這位學者明明知道 excess mortality,但他卻故意混淆 excess mortality 和 mortality 的區別。而且,把我們一般在談到伊阿人道災難時常說的「可避免」之死亡或死亡率(avoidable mortality),等同於 excess mortality。這很荒謬。

當我們說,阿富汗每年有二十五萬五歲以下兒童死亡,其中有八成是死於可治療的疾病時,我們所說的「可治療」(treatable),指的是比方說腹瀉,這麼簡單的一個症狀,在阿富汗卻會出人命,這就是「可避免」的死亡。這樣一些死亡人數並不等於戰爭死亡人數。就好像高雄後勁每年死去的人數不能統統歸咎於中油的空氣污染一樣,道理簡單得不能更簡單。

我當然不否認阿富汗之所以這麼淒慘是因為美蘇兩國在這裏進行角力,以蒼生為芻狗,問題是,我們應該把他們的罪行說清楚,而不是誇大其罪行。在我看來,他們的罪行不但不需誇大,其罪行之罄竹難書,簡直難以道盡,講一輩子也講不完,哪還有辦法誇大?就算要誇大,也不該用一種充滿明顯錯誤的荒謬方式去誇大。那麼明顯的錯誤,很難取信於人。

這幾天,台灣朋友來玩,說想看社運場面。我們就帶他們去劍橋市中心看一個街頭演講。有位講者說,劍橋有百分之二十的小孩,生活在歐盟所訂貧窮線底下。我覺得很不可思議,不相信這數字。沒想到他進一步說,英國 Glasgow的失業率是百分之五十。

天啊,台灣失業率上升到百分之五都已經很恐怖了,怎麼可能百分之五十?英國豈不是變成了巴勒斯坦?

我知道這些反戰或反政府人士都很有正義感,但是,對方的罪行,並不需要誇大或故意誤用,光講其十之一二,就很恐怖了。這些為非作歹的政府(比方說台灣),有一套把戲就是騙人,玩數字魔術,或是散播各種不實資訊(例如最近的蘇嘉全),進而把一些問題誇大或轉化成另一種政治用途(例如誇大海珊之為害,以便侵略)。長期耳濡目染下,正反雙方似乎都變成了文宣高手,虛構各種印象。

記得美國入侵巴格達時,很多支持侵略的人,就故意把焦點集中在被飛彈炸死的人數上,得出結論說:「不過只是死了幾百人或幾千人」。問題是,戰爭之死人,豈是計數飛彈死亡人數?真正死亡之大宗是民生設施及公衛之破壞或是饑荒,而不是飛彈。像這個就是故意玩數字遊戲,淡化戰爭之為害。不管淡化或誇大或故意誤用,都是錯的。

有人罵我為什麼老找朋友的麻煩,老唱朋友的反調,但我不是找麻煩,也不是吃飽太閒吹毛求庛,我總會想起亞里斯多德這句話:

To say of what is that it is not, or of what is not that it is, is false, while to say of what is that is, or what is not that is not, is true.--Aristotle

(把是說成不是,把不是說成是,是錯的;把是說成是,把不是說成不是,是對的。--亞里斯多德)

殷海光也說過類似的話,他說:「是什麼,就說什麼;不是什麼,就說不是什麼。」

許多所謂偉大的思想,往往不過是一些廢話,但我們對這些廢話的輕忽和蔑視,卻製造了許多痛苦和悲劇。

陳真 2005. 7. 10.
wendelin 發佈日期: 2005.07.11 發佈時間: 上午 3:51
不會啊, 謝謝你的提醒. 我當時是直接引用那位澳洲學者的數據, 包含他把它跟二次大戰納粹屠殺死亡孩童人數做對比.我說的是佔領期間死亡孩童人數, 我並沒有說英美聯軍殺掉那麼多人, 不過更精確的應該去比對開戰前和佔領前和之後的死亡人數差距才能算出戰爭和佔領的衝擊.

下次我會抓更精確點的數據, 再度謝謝你的提醒.
陳真 發佈日期: 2005.07.11 發佈時間: 上午 2:06
抱歉 wendelin, 我給妳唱了個反調,底下是投給中時的,但我估計應該不會登出才對.先貼在此.

陳真

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反戰應實事求是

陳真 2005. 7. 10.


貴論壇黃真瑋《恐怖分子與好戰政府》一文,把伊阿兩國兒童一百五十萬死亡人數,視為反恐戰爭亡魂,並謂等同於「納粹屠殺猶太人孩童數目」。此一解讀,似有所誤解。

阿富汗是世界最貧窮國家之一,應歸諸於數十年戰禍,特別是蘇聯入侵及美國代理人(包括賓拉登)與之對抗。一直到塔立班政權上台後,情況才稍有改善。一些人道救援團體說,該政權雖實施嚴格基本教旨統治,但救援任務仍可順利運作;而美國佔領後,人權團體卻連自身都難保,基本秩序失控,衝突不斷;美國為了培植聽話傀儡,不但扶植人權紀錄惡劣的北方聯盟上台,更提供大量軍火給地方軍閥,做為反恐馬前卒。「人權觀察組織」發表報告譴責,並引用居民談話:「他們殺一個人就跟殺一隻小鳥沒兩樣。」「阿富汗有什麼改變?一切希望都破滅了,我們徹底絕望。」

美國入侵,阿富汗民生更形惡化,但這並不意味著上百萬兒童全是反恐戰爭亡魂。反恐是這幾年新花樣,但民不聊生卻已數十載。事實上,阿富汗二十幾年來,各種人權狀況並沒有多少不同。近四分之一兒童看不到五歲生日,一半的兒童營養不良,全世界最高的新生兒及孕婦死亡率、平均壽命不到四十五歲等。但我們不該把這幾年來「所有」死亡人口全視為反恐亡魂。反戰人士要贏得人們信任,就應實事求是。

至於伊拉克,相對來講,比阿富汗好很多。所謂一百五十萬小孩的死亡,主要是指阿富汗,不是伊拉克。當海珊仍是美國「忠實盟友」時,雖然在美生化武器供應下,屠殺伊朗及庫德族人,但海珊在公衛民生方面,卻做得很出色,更具有阿拉伯世界數一數二醫療系統。跟美國鬧翻後,長達十二年的南北禁飛區轟炸及非人道禁運,始造成伊拉克今日民不聊生局面,五十萬五歲以下兒童死於不良公衛。但美軍入侵後,到底死了多少人,相關研究卻很少,其中最為驚人的是醫學期刊《The Lancet》所提出的十萬人死亡(包括大人小孩及各種死亡因素)。這十萬不是所有死亡人口,而是估計比平常「多」出來的死亡人數。把所有死亡人數視為戰爭亡魂是錯的。

反恐戰爭的確就是跟婦女小孩宣戰,因為一切戰爭中,最大的犧牲者就是婦女小孩。我們應反對任何形式的戰爭,但應實事求是。事實很重要,因為,發動戰爭所依靠的往往是謊言或誇大宣傳,抽掉謊言與渲染,戰爭將很難存在。反戰一方應避免同樣的誤導。
wendelin 發佈日期: 2005.06.29 發佈時間: 上午 8:43
這是Tom Hurndall的網站 http://www.tomhurndall.co.uk/
陳真 發佈日期: 2005.06.29 發佈時間: 上午 12:31
Lobby of Parliament to call for an end to Israel’s WMD

Lobby of Parliament – 2-7pm on the 13th July 2005

Public meeting - Committee Room 9 from 4-6 pm on the 13th July 2005

A national lobby of Parliament has been called for the 13th July 2005 from 2-7pm. The central message of the lobby is that Israel’s weapons of mass destruction have been tolerated for far too long. The hypocrisy governing attitudes to Israel’s possession of WMD must end, and real steps must be taken to ensure Israel complies with international treaties and UN resolutions. Speakers at a public meeting in Parliament on the afternoon of the lobby include Bruce Kent, Frank Barnaby, Mandy Turner, Mahmoud Hawari, Jeremy Corbyn MP, Glen Rangwala, Kate Hudson, Chair of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament and Betty Hunter, General Secretary of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign



Israel has hundreds of nuclear weapons as well as many other weapons of mass destruction. New delivery systems with ranges of over 4,800 km can threaten numerous countries, causing regional instability, and even greater ranges are planned. Israel ignores UN resolutions calling for a nuclear weapons free Middle East, and refuses to sign up to international treaties banning or controlling WMD. It will not acknowledge publicly that it has nuclear weapons and has not signed up to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel now has a partnership agreement with NATO. The European Arms Trade is providing submarines and aircraft which could be used for delivery of WMD. This trade is also involved in oppressing the Palestinians and undermining their resistance to occupation.

Kate Hudson, Chair of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, said,

“Israel’s weapons of mass destruction have been tolerated for far too long. The hypocrisy governing attitudes to Israel’s actions must end and real steps must be taken to ensure Israel complies with UN resolutions calling for a nuclear weapons free Middle East. This would contribute hugely to the possibility of peace in the Middle East. The US talks of the dangers of nuclear proliferation. The UK is also quick to join the US in condemning ‘rogue states’ for their possible nuclear ambition, in the case of Iraq, to go to war on the premise of non-existent WMD. Yet for the past 40 years the nuclear weapon states have been complicit in the ‘nuclear ambiguity’ of Israel. Israel is thought to have between 100-400 nuclear weapons. The country is also recognised as having a production capability for chemical and even biological weapons.”

Betty Hunter, General Secretary of Palestine Solidarity Campaign said,

“The recklessly partisan approach of our government which allows Israel to act with impunity on the acquisition and development of nuclear weapons as well as on its other breaches of international law must be challenged. We urge people from all walks of life to join us in our lobby, to impress upon the British government that we demand effective action to curb nuclear proliferation and bring peace to the Middle East.”

The lobby is jointly organised by the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament(http://www.cnduk.org/)and the Palestine Solidarity Campaign(http://www.palestinecampaign.org/)and is supported by Al-Awda, Bertrand Russell Peace Foundation, Campaign Against Arms Trade, Campaign to Free Vanunu and for a Nuclear Free Middle East, Friends of Sabeel, Labour Action for Peace, Pax Christi, Stop the War Coalition, World Court Project. (end)

Notes to Editor:


1. For further information and interviews with people taking part in the lobby and speakers please contact Ruth Tanner CND's Press & Communications Officer on 0207 7002350 or 07968 420859

2. A press conference has been called for the morning of the lobby. 10:30am Room C, 1 Parliament Street nr tube Westminster

3. For further information on the lobby and its demands - http://www.cnduk.org/pages/campaign/isrl.html

4. This lobby demands that: -

The UN inspects facilities in Israel for Weapons of Mass Destruction [WMD] and puts in place verification and monitoring.

-The British government and the EU work for Israeli compliance with, and ratification of, the NPT, CWC, BTWC and FMCT treaties.

-A WMD- free zone in the Middle East, including Israel, is UK Policy.

- Israel’s Star Wars is not supported by the UK government and the EU.

- An embargo is imposed on the sale of all UK and EU relevant military equipment to, and from, Israel, breaking off all military contacts.

- The United Kingdom asks the EU to insist that Israel complies with its obligations under international law.

- Full Freedom for Mordechai Vanunu

5. Public meeting in Parliament in Committee room 9 on July 13th 4-6 pm. Speakers include: Bruce Kent, Frank Barnaby, Mandy Turner, Mahmoud Hawari, Jeremy Corbyn M.P and Glen Rangwala, Chairs: Betty Hunter and Kate Hudson

6. The lobby is jointly organised by the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament www.cnduk.org and the Palestine Solidarity Campaign www.palestinecampaign.org And is supported by the following organisations: Al-Awda, Bertrand Russell Peace Foundation, Campaign Against Arms Trade, Campaign to Free Vanunu and for a Nuclear Free Middle East, Friends of Sabeel, Labour Action for Peace, Pax Christi, Stop the War Coalition, World Court Project.

7. The Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) is one of Europe’s biggest single-issue peace campaigns, with over 32,000 members in the UK. CND campaigns for the abolition of all nuclear weapons everywhere(http://www.cnduk.org/)

Ruth Tanner

Press and Communications Officer

CND - Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament
direct line 020 7700 2350
switchboard 020 7700 2393
mobile 07968 420859
fax 020 7700 2357
e-mail pressoffice@cnduk.org
web www.cnduk.org

The Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) is one of Europe’s biggest single-issue peace campaigns, with over 32,000 members in the UK. CND campaigns for the abolition of all nuclear weapons everywhere.
陳真 發佈日期: 2005.06.28 發佈時間: 下午 11:34
今天媒體廣泛報導了湯姆的案件宣判,我做了個簡單的轉述,貼在首頁.
陳真 發佈日期: 2005.06.28 發佈時間: 下午 10:51
British Family Not Satisfied with Israeli Court’s Verdict

Hurndall: Convicted Israeli Soldier ‘Scapegoat’ of Higher up Chain of Command

28/06/2005

Palestine Media Center – PMC

A verdict by an Israeli military court on Monday convicting a “sniper” of the Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) of manslaughter of British peace activist Tom Hurndall failed to satisfy the Hurndall family, who complained that the soldier was a “scapegoat” and had been “laid at the sacrificial altar of Israeli policy.”

Israeli Sergeant Taysir Wahid was convicted by a military court on Monday of the manslaughter of Tom Hurndall two years after he was shot in head “to teach him a lesson” while trying to pull two Palestinian children out of danger in the occupied Gaza Strip.

A sentencing hearing is to be held on July 5 for Taysir, a Bedouin scout who can neither read nor write Hebrew. He faces up to 20 years in prison when sentenced in August.

Shortly before the verdict, Taysir said that he had been singled out because he is an Arab Israeli.

“I did what I was ordered to do and I’m only here because I’m a Bedouin,” he told The Times. “If I were Israeli (Jew), for sure I wouldn’t be sitting here in custody.”

A two-year campaign for justice by Tom’s British family bore fruit Monday when the Israeli army sniper was convicted by a military court of the manslaughter of the 21-year-old photography student, in 2003.

However, the verdict failed to satisfy the Hurndall family.

Vindicating Taysir’s statement, Hurndall the father, himself a lawyer, said: “The finding of manslaughter against this particular soldier is obviously very important but it is only part of the culture that we are concerned with, the culture of impunity, the lack of accountability, the freedom with which (Israeli) soldiers feel they can shoot civilians in this area, and our son was unfortunately a victim of that policy,” the Daily Telegraph quoted him as saying.

Furious that his younger son, Billy, was detained at Israel’s Ben Gurion Airport as he flew into Israel for the hearing, Hurndall said: “We think this goes much higher up the chain of command than this soldier.”

Israeli Military Justice System Clumsy, Inefficient

Hurndall added that he was lucky with his resources and influence that enabled him to bring his son’s case to court, a luxury unaffordable to the families of hundreds of Palestinians killed by Israeli soldiers in recent years, he said after the verdict.

“We are concerned that there is a policy which seems to be prevalent in Gaza among the Israeli soldiers and army that they feel able to shoot civilians really without any accountability whatsoever.

“So there are two issues here: one, the apparent tacit policy that seems to be in place that the Palestinian civilians are fair game; and that there is no accountability,” he said.

From the start he had found the Israeli military justice system clumsy and inefficient. For months it refused to accept there was a case to answer. Much of the dishonesty was contained in the first Israeli army report that cleared its soldiers of wrongdoing, he indicated.

“I think he (Taysir) is a scapegoat, a pawn in the larger system, who was laid at the sacrificial altar of Israeli policy,” said Hurndall, who accused Israel of having a policy that made it “fair game” to shoot non-combatants - a charge repeatedly denied by the Israelis.

“What this case brings out is a culture of lack of accountability within the Israeli army, and the freedom with which soldiers feel they can shoot civilians in the field. Our son was unfortunately a victim of that policy,” he said.

Sophie Hurndall: Systematic Process of Israeli Cover up

The IOF originally said it had “no case to answer” over the killing, but the tenacity of an English family - Hurndall's mother Jocelyn, a north London teacher, his father Anthony, a solicitor, and siblings Sophie and Billy - succeeded in proving that the original report was a tissue of lies, The Daily Telegraph reported Tuesday.

Hurndall's sister, Sophie Hurndall, praised the verdict but said the Israeli army must change its practices.

“This kind of thing needs to stop happening. Until that has changed ... we won't really have won,” she told Sky News TV.

She said the Hurndall family had little contact with Israeli authorities during the trial and claimed there had been a “systematic process” of covering up the shooting.

“This soldier was directly responsible for shooting my brother, and not only for his death, but to the point where he was in a coma for a year,” she said. “Tom was rescuing a child - and for me that kind of action was the most despicable action you could carry out,” the sister added.

Mrs. Hurndall had to give up her job to focus full-time on the case.

“When something like this happens it takes over your life completely,” she said. “The pressure of holding down a job was too much.”

Taysir Best Sniper but Bad Liar

Palestinian medics and witnesses said Hurndall was wearing a fluorescent jacket with International Solidarity Movement (ISM) initials on it and trying to pull two Palestinian children out of danger when shots were fired from a nearby IOF watchtower in April 2003.

Taysir shot Tom in the head with a sniper rifle. Hurndall suffered horrific injuries but was still alive when he arrived in hospital. Later he was flown back to Britain for further treatment, although he was found to be in a permanent vegetative state, dying of pneumonia in January 2004, aged 22.

Taysir, the best sniper in his IOF regiment, according to his commanding officer, was manning a pillbox with the call sign Star Two when he saw Tom Hurndall among a group of refugees. He shot at the Briton to “teach him a lesson,” the proceedings made it known.

In his 75-page ruling, Israeli Col Nir Aviram, the chairman of the three-man court martial panel, found that Taysir lied repeatedly about events in the Rafah refugee camp on April 11, 2003.

Another IOF soldier, Ahmad Atawna, already was sentenced to jail for lying to protect Taysir.

The military court found that Taysir shot Hurndall with a sniper rifle using a telescopic sight. It said there was no basis for the claim of malpractice and added that Taysir gave a “confused and even pathetic” version of events to the court.

Taysir also was convicted of obstruction of justice, one count of submitting false testimony, obtaining false testimony and unbecoming behavior. He faces up to 20 years in prison when sentenced in August.

B'Tselem: Taysir’s Conviction ‘the Exception that Proves the Rule’

The case focused attention on an issue that has been a source of fierce debate in recent years. Human rights groups and Palestinians say the Israeli military has killed many unarmed Palestinians, and a number of foreigners, and that shootings are rarely investigated. Israel says it does not target civilians, and that it conducts inquiries in cases where soldiers are suspected of wrongdoing.

The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem says that according to its count, 1,722 Palestinians who were not taking part in the fighting have been killed since September 2000. That figure accounts for about half of all Palestinian deaths.

B'Tselem said that Taysir’s conviction over the Hurndall killing was “the exception that proves the rule,” saying that prosecutors avoided opening military police investigations in all but exceptional cases.

“The judge advocate general's policy not to open military police investigations into the killing of civilians sends IDF (Israel Defence Forces) commanders and soldiers the message that it is unlikely they will be held accountable for harming civilians,” B'Tselem said in a statement Monday.

Similarly a report last week by the Human Rights Watch (HRW) said that “the (Israeli) government's failure to investigate the deaths of innocent civilians has created an atmosphere that encourages soldiers to think they can literally get away with murder.”

HRW said the IOF investigated fewer than 5 per cent of the killings of Palestinian civilians since the start of the Intifada (uprising) in 2000.

Two other British citizens have been killed by the IOF. Cameraman James Miller was shot and killed in Rafah on May 2003 while filming a documentary about the impact of violence on children.

An IOF investigation into the death of 23-year-old US national and ISM activist Rachel Corrie concluded that her being crushed to death by an Israeli bulldozer in Rafah in March 2003 had been an accident.

Also, IOF soldiers shot and killed UN aid worker Lain Hook in November 2002 during a gun battle with armed Palestinians in the Jenin refugee camp in northern West Bank.

A British pacifist and three Palestinians were shot and wounded by IOF who attacked a peace protest demonstration against the Apartheid Wall in the southern West Bank village of Yatta village, near Hebron on Monday.
陳真 發佈日期: 2005.06.28 發佈時間: 下午 12:19
這報導指的就是湯姆亨道爾

陳真
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以法庭裁定射殺一英公民的士兵有罪

BBC 中文網 2005年06月27日

http://news.bbc.co.uk/chinese/trad/hi/newsid_4620000/newsid_4627600/4627629.stm

湯姆﹒赫恩德爾在中槍九個月後去世(圖略)

BBC記者哈迪

以色列的一家軍事法庭裁定一名以色列士兵過失殺人有罪。以軍士兵瓦希德﹒泰西爾被控兩年前在加沙地帶射殺了一名英國公民湯姆﹒赫恩德爾。

被射殺的赫恩德爾是個支持巴勒斯坦權利的活動人士。

兩年前,他在加沙地帶進行調查工作的時候,被以色列士兵開槍射中了頭部。

湯姆﹒赫恩德爾被以軍士兵開槍打死的案件,一直困擾著以色列官方。21歲的赫恩德爾是個支持巴勒斯坦權利的活動人士。

2003年4月,赫恩德爾頭部中槍,腦部受到了無法治療的傷害,並在次年去世。

以色列軍方最初的調查所作的結論說,赫恩德爾是在巴以雙方的交火中中槍的。

軍事法庭受審

經過了幾個月的游說之後,赫恩德爾的家人才得以重開這個案件,並且將一名貝都因巡邏隊的士官瓦希德﹒泰西爾送上了軍事法庭受審。

泰西爾在離開法庭時試圖襲擊記者 (圖略)

起初,這位士官宣稱他是向一名身穿巴勒斯坦某個派系制服、手持手槍的男子開槍射擊。

但是他後來卻又改口說,他是開槍警告一名沒有武裝的平民,結果無意中射中了這個平民。

毫無疑問,在衝突地區出現外國人,不論是記者、還是像赫恩德爾這樣的活動人士,都令以色列覺感到討厭。

但是,以色列也衡量了安全的重要和平民傷亡所造成的負面宣傳的影響。
陳真 發佈日期: 2005.06.23 發佈時間: 下午 10:16
THE GRASSROOTS PALESTINIAN ANTI-APARTHEID WALL CAMPAIGN

CALL FOR GLOBAL ACTION

Call for Action
from the Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign
June 23, 2005

July 9 - Resistance To Go Global:

Call To End Occupation and Israeli Apartheid NOW!

Global Action ... Global Action ... Global Action ... Global Action

(http://rd.bcentral.com/?ID=2987336&s=12055499)

July 9th looks set for a global day of action spanning the globe. Events across every continent, taking up the popular calls from Palestine, are being planned now.

The Call for comprehensive boycotts, sanctions and divestment of Apartheid Israel will be launched by the Palestinian people on July 9th with popular mobilization across every district.

Global solidarity with Palestinians struggling against Apartheid and Occupation is crucial. If you are involved in planning activities for July 9th, please contact us now(mailto:europe@stopthewall.org)to coordinate on mobilization and resources. Moreover, why not use the week of July 9 to arrange a presentation of the campaigns new publication(mailto:europe@stopthewall.org)!.

Please e-mail europe@stopthewall.org to get involved and keep checking the website (http://rd.bcentral.com/?ID=2987339&s=12055499)for updates, latest news and new materials and resources.

Call For Action And Solidarity

On July 9th it will be one year since the International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled the Apartheid Wall illegal and urged it be torn down, instructing the international community “not to render any aid or assistance in maintaining the situation created by it.”

Yet such a resounding verdict seems to have had no more impact than the hundreds of UN resolutions before it that have remained unfulfilled. On the first anniversary of the ICJ decision, we ask you to emphasize what this verdict - if it is to be of any help to the Palestinian struggle for justice - really needs to mean: No aid or assistance to Israel and its racist ghettoization project!

On the 9th of July, popular mobilization all over Palestine will escalate resistance against the Apartheid Wall! The Palestinian grassroots Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign calls upon you to mark the ICJ anniversary:

Boycott Apartheid Israel!

Target your government!

Stop the World Bank and agencies funding Israeli iiApartheid!

Target the UN!

Israel must be pressured to respect international law!

Apartheid can never survive without international support. Build the movement for comprehensive boycotts, sanctions and divestment NOW! Against international support for the Apartheid Wall and for a FREE PALESTINE!

CLICK HERE TO READ THE 9th OF JULY CALL IN FULL

(http://rd.bcentral.com/?ID=2987336&s=12055499)

Make July 9th Day of Action

Call for Action - No to “sustainable” Apartheid! Tear down the Wall

(http://rd.bcentral.com/?ID=2987336&s=12055499)!

A week against international complicity with Israeli Apartheid

(http://rd.bcentral.com/?ID=2987336&s=12055499)!

Present the Campaign’s latest publication(mailto:europe@stopthewall.org)!

As the Apartheid Wall continues to imprison the Palestinian people in ghettos and to steal and raze their land, the 9th of July will see massive popular resistance to the Apartheid Wall staged by the Campaign’s popular committees (http://stopthewall.org/enginefileuploads/content/jamalintro.pdf)across Palestine. Yet, the 9th of July is also a date that calls for global solidarity with the Palestinian struggle for Liberation and Justice and for pressure to implement the ICJ ruling and ending the Occupation.

We are calling on solidarity groups and organizations all over the world to Mobilize on July 9th:

The Apartheid Wall needs to be torn down now!

International support for Apartheid Israel needs to stop now!

The Campaign is marking the one year anniversary with the launch of a new report: Do-it-yourself Apartheid - Israel, the World Bank and the "development" of the Palestinian ghettos(http://stopthewall.org/enginefileuploads/content/jamalintro.pdf). It highlights how the international community, and specifically the World Bank, has outlined a comprehensive strategy and action plan that maintains and develops the Israeli apartheid infrastructure. Such plans are now guiding the discourse and "development projects" of major donors and threaten the permanent expulsion of the Palestinian people from their lands

(http://stopthewall.org/enginefileuploads/content/jamalintro.pdf).

It is crucial to initiate global action against the World Bank’s plans and international financial support for Israel’s project of apartheid and expulsion of the Palestinian people. Such a project has so far passed with minimal political or media attention. We are calling upon all solidarity groups (http://stopthewall.org/enginefileuploads/content/jamalintro.pdf)to organize presentations of the book in their own cities and countries. We are currently coordinating events for July 9th around the world based around the new publication and the call for the implementation of the ICJ decision to tear down the Wall.

To raise the profile of the 9th of July, and in solidarity with the mass mobilization throughout Palestine, we ask for your support to make activities across the globe a success. Let us know as soon as possible if you are to present the latest Campaign report in your city – we will send you further information and ensure the publication can be in your city in time for you to organize a successful event. Inform us about any event you are planning! It is the local actions that form the global movement to stop Israeli Apartheid!

CLICK HERE TO READ THE INTRODUCTION TO THE PUBLICATION

http://rd.bcentral.com/?ID=2987338&s=12055499

Take To The Streets At The G8

Join the Palestinian grassroots Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign at the G8.

The campaign, as part of "The Wall Must Fall" project will join the protests in the streets of Edinburgh (http://rd.bcentral.com/?ID=2987337&s=12055499)at the forthcoming G8 summit, calling for an end to international support and complicity in Israeli Apartheid.

With the G8 coming just a few days before the one year anniversary of the ICJ decision to tear down the Wall, the campaign will call for a global anti-apartheid movement to target the Israeli Occupation and Apartheid project(http://rd.bcentral.com/?ID=2987337&s=12055499), together with the support it has from the G8 countries and their agencies such as the World Bank.

The Wall Must Fall Mass Meeting

Set to be one of the highlights of the G8 protests, The Wall Must Fall, together with Scottish PSC, PSC UK and War on Want are organizing a mass meeting on Monday 4th of July to launch the latest publication of the Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign.

Representatives from the campaign, joined by renowned economists and activists Samir Amin (http://rd.bcentral.com/?ID=2987337&s=12055499)and Walden Bello(http://rd.bcentral.com/?ID=2987337&s=12055499), will discuss the need to build an international anti-apartheid movement to provide effective means of isolating Israeli Apartheid through boycotts(http://rd.bcentral.com/?ID=2987337&s=12055499), sanctions and divestment. Join the Campaign at the G8 and support our call to:

Tear Down the Apartheid Wall!

http://rd.bcentral.com/?ID=2987337&s=12055499

For Free Palestine!

http://rd.bcentral.com/?ID=2987337&s=12055499

Isolate Apartheid Israel!

http://rd.bcentral.com/?ID=2987337&s=12055499

StopTheWall.org

http://rd.bcentral.com/?ID=2987335&s=12055499

Visit the Anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign web site.
陳真 發佈日期: 2005.06.23 發佈時間: 上午 9:21
Say No to Israel’s Weapons of Mass Destruction

Join the lobby of Parliament on July 13th 2005 2-7pm

http://www.cnduk.org/pages/campaign/isrl.html

Why should you lobby?

Israel has hundreds of nuclear weapons as well as many other weapons of mass destruction. New delivery systems with ranges of over 4,800 km could threaten many countries, contributing to regional instability, and even greater ranges are planned. Israel ignores UN resolutions calling for a nuclear weapons-free Middle East, and refuses to sign up to international treaties banning or limiting WMD. It will not acknowledge publicly that it has nuclear weapons and has not signed up to the NPT.

Israel now has a partnership agreement with NATO. The European Arms Trade is providing submarines and aircraft which could be used for delivery of WMD.

The British Government, the EU, Mordechai Vanunu and YOU could persuade Israel to change.

For more information on the lobby go to -http://www.cnduk.org/pages/campaign/isrl.html

Ruth Tanner

Press and Communications Officer

CND - Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament

direct line 020 7700 2350
switchboard 020 7700 2393
mobile 07968 420859
fax 020 7700 2357
e-mail pressoffice@cnduk.org
web www.cnduk.org

The Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) is one of Europe’s biggest single-issue peace campaigns, with over 32,000 members in the UK. CND campaigns for the abolition of all nuclear weapons everywhere.
怡靜 發佈日期: 2005.06.16 發佈時間: 下午 12:29
鑑慧 | 2005.06.16 00:40

請問怡靜, 那一個網站用許多網址的目的是什麼呢?
呵呵!到底有什麼目的我也不知道,不過有些公司會把一些好記的網址通通註冊下來,使用者可以很輕易的記住該網址。另外就是把類似的網址一併註冊,萬一使用者不小心打錯某個字,還是會連到同一個網站(譬如網址多打一個S,或者有沒有the)。還有一種就是把結尾org,com,net...這類的也註冊下來,譬如ttv.com和ttv.net和ttv.org 有可能不是指向同一個網站,如果當初不是同一個網站的擁有者去註冊這三個,只註冊其中兩個,別人要註冊另一個,當然也可以。(以前就發生過,一個跟美國白宮white house的網址很相近的網址,其實是個色情網站)這時候另一個網站就跟其他兩個的是不同的站台了。另外還有一個情形時,有時候由某個網址連結過去有問題,這時候可以由另一個備用的網址連過去。
鑑慧 發佈日期: 2005.06.16 發佈時間: 上午 12:40
請問怡靜, 那一個網站用許多網址的目的是什麼呢?
怡靜 發佈日期: 2005.06.15 發佈時間: 上午 2:53
wendelin | 2005.06.14 23:22

Soooooooory. Due to he contacted me via Flicker photos and I linked to Rafah reports from Flicker photos. My missing fault, sorry again.
都是同一個站啦!^_^ 不說你不知,一個網站可以有無數個不同的網址(也就是說我可以設定許多不同的網址,但通通指向同一個網站。使用者打任何一個網址,都會連到同一個網站)Mohammed的網站就有好幾個類似的網址,但通通都是連向同一個站的。
wendelin 發佈日期: 2005.06.14 發佈時間: 下午 11:22
Soooooooory. Due to he contacted me via Flicker photos and I linked to Rafah reports from Flicker photos. My missing fault, sorry again.
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